diff --git a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/.npmignore b/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/.npmignore
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--- a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/.npmignore
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@@ -1,5 +0,0 @@
-*
-!**/*.ts
-!package.json
-!readme.md
-!LICENSE.md
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/package.json b/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/package.json
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index b4874569..00000000
--- a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/package.json
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@@ -1,25 +0,0 @@
-{
-  "name": "@pockethost/plugin-file-instance-logger",
-  "version": "0.0.1",
-  "description": "",
-  "main": "src/index.ts",
-  "module": "src/index.ts",
-  "types": "src/index.ts",
-  "type": "module",
-  "scripts": {
-    "check-types": "tsc --noEmit "
-  },
-  "keywords": [],
-  "author": "",
-  "license": "ISC",
-  "devDependencies": {
-    "@types/tail": "^2.2.2",
-    "tail": "^2.2.6",
-    "type-fest": "^4.6.0",
-    "typescript": "^5.4.5",
-    "winston": "^3.11.0"
-  },
-  "dependencies": {
-    "pockethost": "workspace:^"
-  }
-}
diff --git a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/src/InstanceLoggerService/index.ts b/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/src/InstanceLoggerService/index.ts
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index 30e13825..00000000
--- a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/src/InstanceLoggerService/index.ts
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-import * as fs from 'fs'
-import {
-  LoggerService,
-  asyncExitHook,
-  createCleanupManager,
-  mergeConfig,
-  mkInstanceDataPath,
-  stringify,
-} from 'pockethost/core'
-import { Tail } from 'tail'
-import * as winston from 'winston'
-
-type UnsubFunc = () => void
-
-export type InstanceLoggerApi = {
-  info: (msg: string) => void
-  error: (msg: string) => void
-  tail: (linesBack: number, data: (line: winston.LogEntry) => void) => UnsubFunc
-  shutdown: () => void
-}
-
-export type InstanceLoggerOptions = {
-  ttl: number
-}
-
-const loggers: {
-  [key: string]: InstanceLoggerApi
-} = {}
-
-export function InstanceLogger(
-  instanceId: string,
-  target: string,
-  options: Partial<InstanceLoggerOptions> = {},
-) {
-  const { dbg, info } = LoggerService().create(instanceId).breadcrumb(target)
-  const { ttl } = mergeConfig<InstanceLoggerOptions>({ ttl: 0 }, options)
-
-  dbg({ ttl })
-
-  const loggerKey = `${instanceId}_${target}`
-  if (loggers[loggerKey]) {
-    dbg(`Logger exists, using cache`)
-    return loggers[loggerKey]!
-  }
-
-  const logDirectory = mkInstanceDataPath(instanceId, `logs`)
-  if (!fs.existsSync(logDirectory)) {
-    dbg(`Creating ${logDirectory}`)
-    fs.mkdirSync(logDirectory, { recursive: true })
-  }
-
-  const logFile = mkInstanceDataPath(instanceId, `logs`, `${target}.log`)
-
-  const cm = createCleanupManager()
-
-  const fileTransport = new winston.transports.File({
-    filename: logFile,
-    maxsize: 100 * 1024 * 1024, // 100MB
-    maxFiles: 10,
-    tailable: true,
-    zippedArchive: true,
-  })
-  const logger = winston.createLogger({
-    format: winston.format.combine(
-      winston.format.timestamp(),
-      winston.format.json(),
-      winston.format.printf((info) => {
-        return stringify({
-          stream: info.level === 'info' ? 'stdout' : 'stderr',
-          time: info.timestamp,
-          message: info.message,
-        })
-      }),
-    ),
-    transports: [fileTransport],
-  })
-
-  cm.add(() => {
-    dbg(`Deleting and closing`)
-    delete loggers[loggerKey]
-    fileTransport.close?.()
-    logger.close()
-  })
-
-  const { error, warn } = LoggerService()
-    .create('InstanceLogger')
-    .breadcrumb(instanceId)
-    .breadcrumb(target)
-
-  const resetTtl = (() => {
-    let tid: ReturnType<typeof setTimeout>
-
-    return () => {
-      if (!ttl) return
-      clearTimeout(tid)
-      tid = setTimeout(() => {
-        dbg(`Logger timeout`)
-        api.shutdown()
-      }, ttl)
-    }
-  })()
-
-  const api = {
-    info: (msg: string) => {
-      resetTtl()
-      dbg(`info: `, msg)
-      logger.info(msg)
-    },
-    error: (msg: string) => {
-      resetTtl()
-      dbg(`error: `, msg)
-      logger.error(msg)
-    },
-    tail: (
-      linesBack: number,
-      data: (line: winston.LogEntry) => void,
-    ): UnsubFunc => {
-      if (ttl) {
-        throw new Error(`Cannot tail with ttl active`)
-      }
-      const logFile = mkInstanceDataPath(instanceId, `logs`, `${target}.log`)
-
-      let tid: any
-      cm.add(() => clearTimeout(tid))
-      const check = () => {
-        try {
-          const tail = new Tail(logFile, { nLines: linesBack })
-
-          tail.on('line', (line) => {
-            try {
-              const entry = JSON.parse(line)
-              data(entry)
-            } catch (e) {
-              data({
-                level: 'info',
-                message: line,
-                time: new Date().toISOString(),
-              })
-            }
-          })
-          tail.on('error', (e) => {
-            error(`Caught a tail error ${e}`)
-          })
-
-          cm.add(() => tail.unwatch())
-        } catch (e) {
-          warn(e)
-          tid = setTimeout(check, 1000)
-        }
-      }
-      check()
-
-      const unsub = asyncExitHook(() => cm.shutdown())
-
-      return () => {
-        cm.shutdown()
-        unsub()
-      }
-    },
-    shutdown: () => cm.shutdown(),
-  }
-
-  loggers[loggerKey] = api
-  return api
-}
-
-// // Example usage
-// const loggerInstance = InstanceLogger('123', 'my-target')
-// loggerInstance.info('This is an info message')
-// loggerInstance.error('This is an error message')
-// const unsubscribe = loggerInstance.tail(10, (line) => {
-//   console.log(line)
-// })
-
-// // Later when you want to stop listening to the tail:
-// // unsubscribe();
diff --git a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/src/index.ts b/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/src/index.ts
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--- a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/src/index.ts
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-import { join } from 'path'
-import {
-  LoggerService,
-  PH_HOME,
-  PocketHostPlugin,
-  Settings,
-  mkPath,
-} from 'pockethost/core'
-
-const _HOME_DIR =
-  process.env.PH_SIL_HOME || join(PH_HOME(), `plugin-file-instance-logger`)
-
-const settings = Settings({
-  PH_FIL_HOME: mkPath(_HOME_DIR, { create: true }),
-})
-
-const logger = LoggerService().create('plugin-file-instance-logger')
-export const { dbg } = logger
-
-const plugin: PocketHostPlugin = async ({ registerAction, registerFilter }) => {
-  dbg(`initializing plugin-file-instance-logger`)
-}
-
-export default plugin
diff --git a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/tsconfig.json b/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/tsconfig.json
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--- a/pending-packages/plugin-instance-logger-file/tsconfig.json
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@@ -1,23 +0,0 @@
-{
-  "compilerOptions": {
-    "lib": ["ES2021.String"],
-    "allowJs": true,
-    "checkJs": true,
-    "esModuleInterop": true,
-    "forceConsistentCasingInFileNames": true,
-    "resolveJsonModule": true,
-    "skipLibCheck": true,
-    "sourceMap": true,
-    "strict": true,
-    "target": "ESNext",
-    "module": "ESNext",
-    "moduleResolution": "node",
-    "noUncheckedIndexedAccess": true,
-    "strictNullChecks": true,
-    "noEmit": true
-  },
-  "include": [
-    "**/*.ts",
-    "../plugin-instance-logger-file-realtime-tail/src/RealtimeLog.ts"
-  ]
-}